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BBC Cools On Global Warming

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Anonymous

Gore, Suzuki, Greenpeace and Hansen must worry about their financial empires these days.
QuoteIf there were a webcam in Hades, I would imagine we could all tune to watch Satan shivering in the eternal lake of fire (which itself would have lost its inferno).



Hell has frozen over.



The BBC has reported it is "more likely than not" that the Earth is entering a period of intense cooling.Why is this so remarkable? Because as much as any news outlet in the world, the British Broadcasting Corporation has been a cheerleader for global warming alarmism for the past 15 years.



No, that's the wrong analogy.



Cheerleaders are largely appealing characters. The BBC has been more like an inquisitor, cruelly enforcing the alleged global warming consensus with a sadistic glee.



The Brit equivalent of our own CBC, the Beeb has, if anything, been even more sneering, smug and condescending than Canada's Mother Corp toward those who dared question the "settled science" about climate change.



The use of the word "deniers" to discredit global-warming skeptics — a word designed to smear doubters as the moral and intellectual equals of Holocaust deniers — appeared early and often at the BBC.



Four years ago, when e-mails leaked from the world's top climate scientists showing them frantically trying to cover up the fact that the Earth had stopped warming in about 1998 (at exactly the same time the UN was imposing the Kyoto accord on the developed world to limit carbon emissions), the BBC jumped into full defence mode.



It lauded the scientists who had been exposed. Rather than vain careerists who were fudging the data and endeavouring to keep their critics from being published in respected scientific journals, the Beeb portrayed them as brave knights attempting to slay the evil dragons of Big Oil and Big Carbon.



They were not serial dissemblers. No, to the BBC these climate scientists were victims of a smear campaign designed to preserve profits and prevent the world's governments from taking much needed action to preserve our planet.



They were treated with nearly as much saintly veneration as the CBC treats David Suzuki. How dare anyone doubt their veracity?



So it was gobsmacking this week to see the BBC report on the work of scientist Mike Lockwood of Reading University in the U.K.



Lockwood (and dozens of other scientists) believes the sun is about to enter a period of low activity unseen in the past 10,000 years. This could, in turn, lead to a prolonged period of global cooling the likes of which the Earth has not experienced in at least two or three centuries — long, brutal, snowy winters coupled with cool, wet, pathetic summers.



In other words, our climate might be in for a Little Ice Age, according to the BBC.




This isn't simply straight-up honest reporting. This amounts to a huge climb-down by the BBC which as recently as a year ago wasn't reporting on alternative theories about climate except to dismiss those theories' proponents as cranks and crackpots.



Nor is the solar-minimum theory something new. While the theory that carbon in the atmosphere causes dangerous global warming has only been believed in earnest for



25 years, scientists have known for centuries the sun goes through predictable peaks and valleys of its strength.



Also, for those who cared to listen (the BBC and most of the rest of the world's consensus media did its best not to listen), we have known that those solar peaks and valleys corresponded very closely to periods of warming and cooling around the world.



With the UN's own climb-down in September from its ironclad belief in the carbon/warming theory, it shouldn't be a surprise that alarmist institutions such as the BBC would also back off.



Still, it's a welcome development.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/01/condescending-bbc-cools-on-global-warming">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/01/c ... al-warming">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/01/condescending-bbc-cools-on-global-warming

Odinson

Shit.. Gotta move out of this place.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Odinson"Shit.. Gotta move out of this place.

Just pay higher taxes to your government and global warming/cooling will not be a problem. :roll:

Odinson

Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Odinson"Shit.. Gotta move out of this place.

Just pay higher taxes to your government and global warming/cooling will not be a problem. :roll:


Nah I´m just gonna move to your next door.

Anonymous

This article was in the WSJ. The EU alone is wasting a 1/4 of a trillion dollars per year on this scam with negligible success. Climate change alarmism is the greatest threat and biggest attack on working classes in the West I have ever seen in my life. You have big greedy labour, big greedy government, big greedy NGO's, corporations and hypocritical billionaires forcing working people in the West to reduce their consumption and pay more. What a scam!!
QuoteIn the long run, the world needs to cut carbon dioxide because it causes global warming. But if the main effort to cut emissions is through subsidies for chic renewables like wind and solar power, virtually no good will be achieved—at very high cost. The cost of climate policies just for the European Union—intended to reduce emissions by 2020 to 20% below 1990 levels—are estimated at about $250 billion annually. And the benefits, when estimated using a standard climate model, will reduce temperature only by an immeasurable one-tenth of a degree Fahrenheit by the end of the century.



Even in 2035, with the most optimistic scenario, the International Energy Agency estimates that just 2.4% of the world's energy will come from wind and only 1% from solar. As is the case today, almost 80% will still come from fossil fuels. As long as green energy is more expensive than fossil fuels, growing consumer markets like those in China and India will continue to use them, despite what well-meaning but broke Westerners try to do.

Romero

QuoteSo it was gobsmacking this week to see the BBC report on the work of scientist Mike Lockwood of Reading University in the U.K.

It was just some blog from a global warming denier. Doesn't mean the BBC itself doesn't believe in global warming, especially since global warming is happening.



Deniers always have to lie about what scientists say, since reality is so inconvenient.


QuoteThe sun's activity is in free fall, according to a leading space physicist. But don't expect a little ice age.



"Solar activity is declining very fast at the moment," Mike Lockwood, a professor of space environmental physics at Britain's Reading University, said, "we estimate faster than at any time in the last 9,300 years."



Lockwood thinks there is now a 25 percent chance of a repetition of the last grand minimum, the late-17th-century Maunder Minimum, when there were no sunspots for 70 years. Two years ago, Lockwood put the chances of this happening at less than 10 percent.



But Lockwood says we should not expect a new grand minimum to bring on a new little ice age. Human-induced global warming, he says, is already a more important force in global temperatures than even major solar cycles. Temperatures have risen by about 1.5 degrees since 1880, with more warming expected, according to the most recent assessment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/sun-activity-is-in-free-fall-but-you-shouldnt-expect-a-new-little-ice-age/2013/11/11/19166b42-4599-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.html?wprss=rss_national">//http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/sun-activity-is-in-free-fall-but-you-shouldnt-expect-a-new-little-ice-age/2013/11/11/19166b42-4599-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.html?wprss=rss_national

Mike Lockwood believes the world is going to continue to warm, not cool.

Anonymous

That was a distortion of what Lockwood's findings by some biased source. Big money warm mongers need to lie and create non-existent emergencies or their financial empires would quickly crumble. Gloom and doom computer models about Arctic sea ice collapsed as the the Arctic added 60% more new ice in one year. Walt Meier, a glaciologist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md were all wrong or flat out lied to us.


QuoteReal risk of a Maunder Minimum 'Little Ice Age,'" announced the BBC this week, in reporting startling findings by Professor Mike Lockwood of Reading University. "Professor Lockwood believes solar activity is now falling more rapidly than at any time in the last 10,000 years [raising the risk of a new Little Ice Age] from less than 10% just a few years ago to 25-30%," explained Paul Hudson, the BBC's climate correspondent. If Earth is spared a new Little Ice Age, a severe cooling as "occurred in the early 1800s, which also had its fair share of cold winters and poor summers, is, according to him, 'more likely than not' to happen."



During the Little Ice Age, the Sun became eerily quiet, as measured by a near disappearance of the sunspots that are typically present. Solar scientists around the world today see similar conditions, giving impetus to the widespread view that cold times lie ahead. "When we have had periods where the Sun has been quieter than usual we tend to get these much harsher winters" echoed climatologist Dennis Wheeler from Sunderland University, in a Daily Express article entitled "Now get ready for an 'Ice Age' as experts warn of Siberian winter ahead."



Scientists at the Climate and Environmental Physics and Oeschger Centre for Climate Change Research at the University of Berne in Switzerland back up theories that support the Sun's importance in determining the climate on Earth. In a paper published this month by the American Meteorological Society, the authors demolish the claims by IPCC scientists that the Sun couldn't be responsible for major shifts in climate. In a post on her website this month, Judith Curry, Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, all-but mocked the IPCC assertions that solar variations don't matter. Among the many studies and authorities she cited: the National Research Council's recent report, "The Effects of Solar Variability on Earth's Climate," and NASA, former home of global warming guru James Hansen.



As NASA highlighted in a press release in January of this year, in citing the NRC report on solar variations: "There is, however, a dawning realization among researchers that even these apparently tiny variations can have a significant effect on terrestrial climate." To bolster the argument that solar activity could explain the Little Ice Age as well as lesser changes, NASA then listed some dozen authorities, including Dan Lubin of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, whose research on other sun-like stars in the Milky Way suggest that "the Sun's influence could be overpowering."



In the last two years, the scientific community's openness to examining the role of the Sun in climate change – as opposed to the role of man – has exploded. Scientists are now rediscovering earlier works by scientists at the Danish National Space Center who as early as the 1990s published peer-reviewed articles demonstrating the Sun's role in climate change. And by scientists at the Russian Academy of Sciences' Pulkovo Observatory, whose predictions in the last decade that global cooling would start in this decade are looking especially prescient.



All will be rediscovering the science of the 1960s and 1970s, which even earlier sounded the alarm on the coming period of global cooling. Those early scientists expected the cooling trend of the 1960s and 1970s to relent for several decades, as it in fact did. "None of us expected uninterrupted continuation of the trend," explained Columbia University's George Kukla in 2007, whose 1972 letter to the president triggered the U.S. government's decision to take immediate action on the threat of global cooling.



Global warming always precedes an ice age, Kukla explained. The warming we saw in the 1980s and 1990s, in other words, was expected all along, much as the calm before the storm.

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/10/31/lawrence-solomon-a-global-cooling-consensus/">http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/1 ... consensus/">http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/10/31/lawrence-solomon-a-global-cooling-consensus/

Global warming dishonesty and fear mongering is the biggest attack on working people in the West that I have ever seen in my life. In the EU alone it is draining $250 billion yearly from working families.



We have had more than a decade and half pause in global warming. It is time Westerners started standing up to the big companies, big governments, big NGO's and crony capitalists who are robbing us blind with fake "science".

Romero

Quote from: "Shen Li"That was a distortion of what Lockwood's findings by some biased source.

Let's find out from Lockwood himself!


QuoteSolar Activity and the so-called "Little Ice Age"

by Professor Mike Lockwood



I'm a professor of space environment physics and a director of research at the University of Reading in the UK. My particular topic of research is the sun, how it changes over time and how those changes affect the space environment, the weather and the climate on Earth.



The sun's activity rises and falls on an approximately 11-year cycle, but also varies on century-long timescales. It's this research I talked to BBC weatherman Paul Hudson about in an interview for the BBC's Inside Out programme.



Unfortunately, I now find myself in the position of being cited as predicting that the current rapid decline in solar activity will plunge the world into a "Little Ice Age".



This is very disappointing as it is not at all supported by the science.



There is very little evidence that the lower global mean temperatures between 1400 and 1800 were caused by solar activity - there's more evidence it was associated with volcanic activity and/or internal oscillations in the climate system.



During the Maunder minimum there were an unusually large number of cold winters in Europe. However, there is no evidence that this was a global phenomenon. Indeed, our research strongly suggests it was a regional phenomenon and that the colder winters in Europe would have been accompanied by warmer ones elsewhere, for example Greenland.



Calling this period of more frequent cold European winters a "Little Ice Age" or a "mini Ice Age" is hugely misleading as it implies Europe experienced unremitting cold throughout the Maunder minimum. This is completely wrong.



So what do we think the effect of a return to Maunder minimum conditions on global mean temperatures would be? The answer is very little.



We found the likely reduction in warming by 2100 would be between 0.06 and 0.1 degrees Celsius, a very small fraction of the warming we're due to experience as a result of human activity.



http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/11/solar-activity-and-the-so-called-%E2%80%9Clittle-ice-age%E2%80%9D/">//http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/11/solar-activity-and-the-so-called-%E2%80%9Clittle-ice-age%E2%80%9D/

cc

QuoteWe found the likely reduction in warming by 2100 would be between 0.06 and 0.1 degrees Celsius, a very small fraction of the warming we're due to experience as a result of human activity.

"we're due to" = future =  speculation only .. and we all know where speculation of those who WANT us to believe in warming gets us
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

Quote....And the benefits, when estimated using a standard climate model, will reduce temperature only by an immeasurable one-tenth of a degree Fahrenheit by the end of the century.



Even in 2035, with the most optimistic scenario, the International Energy Agency estimates that just 2.4% of the world's energy will come from wind and only 1% from solar. As is the case today, almost 80% will still come from fossil fuels. As long as green energy is more expensive than fossil fuels, growing consumer markets like those in China and India will continue to use them, despite what well-meaning but broke Westerners try to do.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

But should North Western Europe be heading for a new "little ice age", there could be far reaching political implications[/b]..."



Lockwood may not like the results of his own research, but common sense tells us falling common solar activity=cooling effect.

Romero

Lockwood never said that quote. It was written by the climate change denying author.



Lockwood hasn't been contradictory. He has always said the research shows solar activity has only a fraction of an effect compared to global warming. He has always believed the Maunder minimum may have a slight cooling effect regionally but not globally. He has always believed that colder period in Europe was likely caused by volcanic activity and natural patterns.



He has never said there is or will be global cooling and he has certainly never said there will be a new "ice age".



Funny how the climate change denying author claimed things that Lockwood never said or meant. And now that Lockwood has confirmed that he's had the same position all along, deniers are calling it "curious"! The author is the one who put words into Lockhart's mouth.



It's like all those articles screaming "IPCC admits no global warming". The IPCC has never said such a thing. These claims are just made up by those who can't handle the reality. Why else would they have to lie about what the experts are really saying?

Anonymous

^^Lockwood's own research concludes that solar activity will impact the climate despite how many failed computer models the IPCC throws out. He's not alone in this, a growing body of scientists such as Danish astrophysicist Henrik Svensmark, Irish solar specialist Ian Elliott and Mojib Latif from the University of Kiel are bringing natural variations and thus real science back into this.



Speaking of failed gloom and doom predictions, it has been 100 years since the father of global warming made predictions equally  as ridiculous as the ones being made now by James Hansen.

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I hope you enjoyed your global warming while it lasted.

Romero

QuoteGreenland reaps benefits of global warming



Inside the Arctic Circle, a chef is growing the kind of vegetables and herbs – potatoes, thyme, tomatoes, green peppers – more fitted for a suburban garden in a temperate zone than a land of northern lights, glaciers and musk oxen. Some Inuit hunters are finding reindeer fatter than ever thanks to more grazing on this frozen tundra, and, for some, there is no longer a need to trek hours to find wild herbs.



This is climate change in Greenland, where locals say longer and warmer summers mean the country can grow the kind of crops unheard of years ago. "Things are just growing quicker," said Kim Ernst, the Danish chef of Roklubben restaurant, nestled by a frozen lake near a former Cold War-era US military base. "Every year we try new things," added Mr Ernst, who even managed to grow a handful of strawberries that he served to some surprised Scandinavian royals. "I came here in 1999 and no one would have dreamed of doing this. But now the summer days seem warmer, and longer."



http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/greenland-reaps-benefits-of-global-warming-8555241.html">//http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/greenland-reaps-benefits-of-global-warming-8555241.html

QuoteAlberta corn now stretches 
from Taber to the Peace



Alberta's corn crop has been spreading out of its traditional pocket in the south, but recently it's taken a big leap all the the way up to the Peace. Recently the Peace Country Beef & Forage Association hosted a field day at the farm of Lawrence and Lori Andruchiw near Spirit River to hear about their experience with corn growing.




http://www.agcanada.com/albertafarmer/2012/10/05/alberta-corn-now-stretches-%E2%80%A8from-taber-to-the-peace%E2%80%A9/">//http://www.agcanada.com/albertafarmer/2012/10/05/alberta-corn-now-stretches-%E2%80%A8from-taber-to-the-peace%E2%80%A9/

QuoteSiberian agriculture could benefit from climate change



Some nations, like Russia and northern parts of China, may actually benefit from climate change. We, a team of scientists from the Siberian branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the National Institute of Aerospace in the US, have based our hypothesis on previous studies that showed that the Siberian forest would shift northwards by the end of this century. These analyses also suggest that at least half of central Siberia would be occupied by steppe and forest-steppe that may become suitable for agriculture as the climate warms.



From available data, we also found that crop yields increased from 1960 to 2010 in the south of Siberia.



http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/48491">//http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/48491

Quote2013 Set To Be One Of The Hottest Years Ever



This year is on track to be one of the hottest since record keeping began, according to a report released Wednesday by the World Meteorological Association. The report also found that global sea levels reached a record high in March 2013 and extreme weather events continued to devastate communities around the world.



Rising sea levels are already wreaking havoc on coastal communities, making them a target for increased storm surges and coastal flooding. The most recent example of this trend is the tragic toll of Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines, possibly the most powerful storm ever recorded.



http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/11/13/2933271/2013-heat-sea-level/">//http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/11/13/2933271/2013-heat-sea-level/

Odinson

Warmer climate is cheaper...



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